tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4251777016037497783.post1387529356744666985..comments2023-12-14T20:02:51.470-06:00Comments on The Heavy Anglophile Orthodox: The matter of MonticelloMatthew Franklin Cooperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15233216128641267240noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4251777016037497783.post-48060171487900283362012-12-05T23:55:54.276-06:002012-12-05T23:55:54.276-06:00It is a thesis worth considering, I think. Certai...It is a thesis worth considering, I think. Certainly the influence of the (historically) classically-conservative Society of Friends, Episcopal Church (itself tracing its episcopate back to the Church of Scotland) and Roman Catholic Church over the great social reform movements in American history (abolitionism, labour rights and civil rights being the three big 'uns) is not indelible.<br /><br />And of course, Canada, that last great refuge of classical High Toryism in Anglophone America, was leaps and bounds ahead of us on every single one of those issues (and remains so, at least on issues of economic justice).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4251777016037497783.post-13662774377642948842012-12-05T03:21:26.862-06:002012-12-05T03:21:26.862-06:00No problems, Matt.
So you mean that only a post-R...No problems, Matt.<br /><br />So you mean that only a post-Revolution American Toryism was responsible for the birth of a progressive movement in the US?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4251777016037497783.post-24442754506752679322012-12-04T20:32:21.491-06:002012-12-04T20:32:21.491-06:00Well, perhaps I should put it this way: if I had ...Well, perhaps I should put it this way: if I had been alive during the War of American Independence, my ideology, actions and fate might very well have been similar to those of my mother's-side kinsmen in the <a href="http://existentialmusingsofmatt.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-doan-gang.html" rel="nofollow">Doan Gang</a>. <br /><br />The American Revolution may not have been as immediately or as hideously destructive as the French one, but its widespread consequences have generally been more insidious, in terms of having spread the Lockean philosophy of greed under the semantic cloak of 'liberty'. What I think both sides get wrong is that Thomas Jefferson wasn't really an outlier in his behaviour, and that his behaviour actually follows logically from what he believed. It is only because the American founding ideology had been tempered down the generations by recovered Christian insights and values that we even <i>have</i> a progressive movement today, though it is rather weak tea when compared with, say, any of the Catholic-inspired labour movements in continental Europe (which are now being slowly suffocated by the EU).<br /><br />Anyway, thanks again for the comment, Idrian; always glad to have you!<br /><br />Best,<br />MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4251777016037497783.post-48292727242439760612012-12-04T01:01:12.736-06:002012-12-04T01:01:12.736-06:00An interesting take on Mr Jefferson. Guess the Ame...An interesting take on Mr Jefferson. Guess the American Tory is one of those persons sidelined from mainstream US political discourse.<br /><br />I would also like to ask your assessment of the American Revolution.<br /><br />IdrianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com